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February 06, 2005

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Scott

Interesting analysis, Tom.

John Weidner

Tom, you are right to be sceptical of Global Warming, but you are using the wrong reasons. There is no question about the existence of the Greenhouse Effect, or that it is caused by greenhouse gases, and that without it the Earth would be too cold to be habitable.

If you are in a mood to raise doubts, you might notice that one of the greenhouse gases is water vapor. It's NOT a trace gas. It is in fact responsible for about 99% of the Effect. The GW types don't like to mention that.

The real problem with GW is that it is mostly based on computer models of great complexity that work with a hodge-podge of data. Trying to correlate the tree-rings of Bristlecone Pines with core samples from the Greenland Icecap is fraught with difficulty. When the "liberal psyche" takes a position, the computer models seem to mold themselves to the expected result...

The other problem is that, thought there has clearly been some warming over the last century, we don't know how much warming might be normal. Some researchers thing the warming may have countered another "little ice age." We don't really know enough...

Tom Bowler

John, I'm not disputing that the earth is warming. Nor am I disputing that gases in the atmosphere provide an insulating quality that keeps the earth warmer. But even the folks at Manchester Metropolitan University hesitate to conclude that greenhouse gases are solely responsible for insulating the earth. Again, note their wording, "greenhouse gases help to keep the Earth 33°C warmer than it would otherwise be without an atmosphere." Without an atmosphere.

I'm skeptical that such a miniscule quantity of any component of the atmosphere could have the dramatic effect that's been alleged. And I question role we play in it in our day to day lives, SUV's notwithstanding.

I left out one of the juicier quotes about water vapor because the piece was getting to be way too long. From NASA: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Observatory/Datasets/cldforc.erbe.html "Clouds play a significant role in our world's energy balance -- they exert both a cooling effect on the surface by reflecting sunlight back into space, and a warming effect by trapping heat emitted from the surface. Clouds are one of the greatest areas of scientific uncertainty with respect to how much they influence climate on a global scale." Uncertain about the effects of clouds but convinced on CO2. Hmmm.

Scott

I'm enjoying the discussion. I've never had strong feelings about the GW debate so I find any information about it, pro or con, enlightening.

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